Dan Magenheimer wrote:
OK, then although you are not saying it directly, assuming
your patch is accepted, it sounds like the hpet will now
always be more accurate than pit and the change a couple
of months ago that turns OFF the guest hpet by default
should now be reversed so that the guest hpet is turned ON
by default (or perhaps the option should just be removed
or ignored, with the previous behavior being restored that
hpet is always on).
OK, then although you are not saying it directly, assuming
your patch is accepted, it sounds like the hpet will now
always be more accurate than pit and the change a couple
of months ago that turns OFF the guest hpet by default
should now be reversed so that the guest hpet is turned ON
by default (or perhaps the option should just be removed
or ignored, with the previous behavior being restored that
hpet is always on).
We should have the option on a per guest basis, as to whether that
guest sees the hpet in the acpi tables. This is because one guest
that I know of, Windows 2k8, doesn't keep good time with hpet with
either of the two policies that I support now. I may be able to come
up with a policy for 2k8, but still, we should have the ability
to turn hpet off. Furthermore, the great accuracy I have been reporting
is for Linux guests, which, so far, all have computed missed ticks.
Windows 2k3 does not compute missed ticks, and I have a policy for it
which keeps it relatively accurate, but as I recall, not as accurate
as the Linux guests.
To turn the hpet off, not only should we not advertise it in acpi,
but also we should return 0 for the hpet capabilities register as some
guests just try to use the hpet regardless of acpi.
-----Original Message-----
From: xen-devel-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:xen-devel-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Dave Winchell
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:09 PM
To: dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Dave Winchell; Tian, Kevin; xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian
Pratt; Keir Fraser
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Dan Magenheimer wrote:
Hi Dave --
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
I wonder how much of the problems we observed with skew on
pit was due to
the pit-on-tsc "bug"... in other words, should the virtual
pit be based on
system time also?
For guests that compute missed ticks, it may not help. That's
because here
the guests are using tsc in their computations of offset and last
interrupt time stamp.
Also, there is the esoteric use of delay in the computations for pit.
With hpet, on the other hand, the guests don't read the tsc and don't
use delay -
they only rely on the hpet main counter.
It might improve accuracy for a guest that does not compute missed
ticks. But you
would still have the time going backwards issue, unless you
patched the
Most of the hpet accuracy we see is due to clean and correct
in the guest,
in my opinion. Of course we have to do the right things in
emulating the
hpet in xen.
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 7:54 PM
*To:* dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
*Cc:* Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin;
xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian
Pratt; Dave Winchell
*Subject:* RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dan,
I just need to remove some debug and merge with unstable.
I should be able to send you a patch Monday or Tuesday.
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
Thanks for the testing offer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Magenheimer [mailto:dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 4/25/2008 5:03 PM
To: Dave Winchell
Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin;
xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dave --
Are you ready to release the guest-virtual-platform-timer
on xen-system-time patch yet? If so, we'd be happy to
give it some testing.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:48 PM
> To: Dave Winchell
> Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin; dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx;
> xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt; Dave Winchell
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
> Keir,
> Last nights run had the error in the 12 ppm range.
> Here is the change we have been talking about.
> -Dave
> Dave Winchell wrote:
> > Keir Fraser wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/4/08 17:04, "Dave Winchell"
> <dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> yes, this is the issue. What you suggest should be fine
> and I am trying
> >>> it now.
> >>> With the locking version (and a fix to a bug I
> introduced) I got .0012%
> >>> error
> >>> on an overnight run with hpet layered on
> get_s_time_mono(), which is
> >>> the
> >>> max(prev, cur) layer on get_s_time we discussed.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 12 parts per million is pretty good. Is that
cumulative deviation
> >> from 'wall
> >> time' over ~12 hours?
> >>
> > yes, deviation between the guest's time and an ntp
> >
> >> That could easily be explained by the fact that Xen
> >> system time is not sync'ed with ntp.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true. And, as we have discussed, this error seems to
> vary quite
> > a bit
> > platform to platform for some reason. I will verify that
> this still is
> > the case.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >> -- Keir
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
Xen-devel mailing list
-----Original Message-----
From: xen-devel-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:xen-devel-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Dave Winchell
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:09 PM
To: dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Dave Winchell; Tian, Kevin; xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian
Pratt; Keir Fraser
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Dan Magenheimer wrote:
Hi Dave --
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
I wonder how much of the problems we observed with skew on
pit was due to
the pit-on-tsc "bug"... in other words, should the virtual
pit be based on
system time also?
For guests that compute missed ticks, it may not help. That's
because here
the guests are using tsc in their computations of offset and last
interrupt time stamp.
Also, there is the esoteric use of delay in the computations for pit.
With hpet, on the other hand, the guests don't read the tsc and don't
use delay -
they only rely on the hpet main counter.
It might improve accuracy for a guest that does not compute missed
ticks. But you
would still have the time going backwards issue, unless you
patched the
Most of the hpet accuracy we see is due to clean and correct
in the guest,
in my opinion. Of course we have to do the right things in
emulating the
hpet in xen.
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 7:54 PM
*To:* dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
*Cc:* Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin;
xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian
Pratt; Dave Winchell
*Subject:* RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dan,
I just need to remove some debug and merge with unstable.
I should be able to send you a patch Monday or Tuesday.
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
Thanks for the testing offer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Magenheimer [mailto:dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 4/25/2008 5:03 PM
To: Dave Winchell
Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin;
xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dave --
Are you ready to release the guest-virtual-platform-timer
on xen-system-time patch yet? If so, we'd be happy to
give it some testing.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:48 PM
> To: Dave Winchell
> Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin; dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx;
> xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt; Dave Winchell
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
> Keir,
> Last nights run had the error in the 12 ppm range.
> Here is the change we have been talking about.
> -Dave
> Dave Winchell wrote:
> > Keir Fraser wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/4/08 17:04, "Dave Winchell"
> <dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> yes, this is the issue. What you suggest should be fine
> and I am trying
> >>> it now.
> >>> With the locking version (and a fix to a bug I
> introduced) I got .0012%
> >>> error
> >>> on an overnight run with hpet layered on
> get_s_time_mono(), which is
> >>> the
> >>> max(prev, cur) layer on get_s_time we discussed.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 12 parts per million is pretty good. Is that
cumulative deviation
> >> from 'wall
> >> time' over ~12 hours?
> >>
> > yes, deviation between the guest's time and an ntp
> >
> >> That could easily be explained by the fact that Xen
> >> system time is not sync'ed with ntp.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true. And, as we have discussed, this error seems to
> vary quite
> > a bit
> > platform to platform for some reason. I will verify that
> this still is
> > the case.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >> -- Keir
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
Xen-devel mailing list
-----Original Message-----
From: xen-devel-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:09 PM
To: dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Dave Winchell; Tian, Kevin; xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian
Pratt; Keir Fraser
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Dan Magenheimer wrote:
Hi Dave --
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
I wonder how much of the problems we observed with skew on
Hi Dave --
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
pit was due to
the pit-on-tsc "bug"... in other words, should the virtual
pit be based on
system time also?
system time also?
the guests are using tsc in their computations of offset and last
interrupt time stamp.
Also, there is the esoteric use of delay in the computations for pit.
With hpet, on the other hand, the guests don't read the tsc and don't
use delay -
they only rely on the hpet main counter.
It might improve accuracy for a guest that does not compute missed
ticks. But you
in the guest,
hpet in xen.
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 7:54 PM
*To:* dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
*Cc:* Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin;
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Friday, April 25, 2008 7:54 PM
*To:* dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx
xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian
Pratt; Dave Winchell
*Subject:* RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dan,
I just need to remove some debug and merge with unstable.
I should be able to send you a patch Monday or Tuesday.
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
Thanks for the testing offer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Magenheimer [mailto:dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 4/25/2008 5:03 PM
To: Dave Winchell
Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin;
Pratt; Dave Winchell
*Subject:* RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dan,
I just need to remove some debug and merge with unstable.
I should be able to send you a patch Monday or Tuesday.
You know, its more like hpet on system time.
Thanks for the testing offer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Magenheimer [mailto:dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 4/25/2008 5:03 PM
To: Dave Winchell
xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dave --
Are you ready to release the guest-virtual-platform-timer
on xen-system-time patch yet? If so, we'd be happy to
give it some testing.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:48 PM
> To: Dave Winchell
> Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin; dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx;
> xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt; Dave Winchell
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
> Keir,
> Last nights run had the error in the 12 ppm range.
> Here is the change we have been talking about.
> -Dave
> Dave Winchell wrote:
> > Keir Fraser wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/4/08 17:04, "Dave Winchell"
> <dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> yes, this is the issue. What you suggest should be fine
> and I am trying
> >>> it now.
> >>> With the locking version (and a fix to a bug I
> introduced) I got .0012%
> >>> error
> >>> on an overnight run with hpet layered on
> get_s_time_mono(), which is
> >>> the
> >>> max(prev, cur) layer on get_s_time we discussed.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> 12 parts per million is pretty good. Is that
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
Hi Dave --
Are you ready to release the guest-virtual-platform-timer
on xen-system-time patch yet? If so, we'd be happy to
give it some testing.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winchell [mailto:dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:48 PM
> To: Dave Winchell
> Cc: Keir Fraser; Tian, Kevin; dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx;
> xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ian Pratt; Dave Winchell
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: Fix for get_s_time()
> Keir,
> Last nights run had the error in the 12 ppm range.
> Here is the change we have been talking about.
> -Dave
> Dave Winchell wrote:
> > Keir Fraser wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/4/08 17:04, "Dave Winchell"
> <dwinchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> yes, this is the issue. What you suggest should be fine
> and I am trying
> >>> it now.
> >>> With the locking version (and a fix to a bug I
> introduced) I got .0012%
> >>> error
> >>> on an overnight run with hpet layered on
> get_s_time_mono(), which is
> >>> the
> >>> max(prev, cur) layer on get_s_time we discussed.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
cumulative deviation
> >> from 'wall
> >> time' over ~12 hours?
> >>
> > yes, deviation between the guest's time and an ntp
> >> from 'wall
> >> time' over ~12 hours?
> >>
> >
> >> That could easily be explained by the fact that Xen
> >> system time is not sync'ed with ntp.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true. And, as we have discussed, this error seems to
> vary quite
> > a bit
> > platform to platform for some reason. I will verify that
> this still is
> > the case.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >> -- Keir
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >> That could easily be explained by the fact that Xen
> >> system time is not sync'ed with ntp.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true. And, as we have discussed, this error seems to
> vary quite
> > a bit
> > platform to platform for some reason. I will verify that
> this still is
> > the case.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >> -- Keir
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Last night I was making rotisserie Cornish game hens, and we discovered that the rotisserie spit rod has gone missing!
We have the GE rotisserie toaster oven. Ended up baking on the toaster oven instead, they still turned out delicious, but now I have to try to find a replacement rod.
I'll have to post the recipe it was very good! But I forgot to take pics
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Lisa, you can probably google that spit rod and see how u can order a new part vs. buying a whole new set, hopefully. Well, u get an A for effort at least and good thing your hens turned out deliciously anyhoo!
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I did google and nothing, so hopefully GE carries the part!
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I just came in from sitting on my front step. I love watching the masses of dragonflies that dance above my yard and surrounding fields every year around the same time. I don't mean just a few dragonflies, there are literally hundreds of them and they are here for many days on end. I know the nature and science behind their gathering. There must be an abundance of their favorite food here since there is no water source any closer than Parker's Creek and the bay which are about a mile or so away from me as the crow flies. I just happen to have the honor of living at a location they choose to converge. It seems to be in their life cycle to meet here close to the summer solstice every year. The first time I looked through my bay window to see them in mass, "Oh my God" fell out of my mouth. It was an amazing sight to see for the first time and is so each and every year. I always look forward to their return.
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One of my favorite pieces of art I've done since I've lived here is called Dragonfly Spirit. She is a pencil drawing embellished with mixed media; beads and metallic threads sewn to the paper. Cut outs in her negative space reveal handmade paper and a feather headdress protrudes from the paper. She is my homage to the dragonfly.
I have only ever had a small digital image of her and reproduced her on small greeting cards and small prints until now. She just recently came home to me and I will be selling full size giclee reproductions of her. I will list her in my store when I have some ready to sell.
They are a beautiful and amazing creature. Almost every culture in the world regards them highly and uses their symbolism in the essence of their collective being. This website gives a lot of information regarding their symbolism: http://www.dragonfly-site.com/meaning-symbolize.html
One of my favorite pieces of art I've done since I've lived here is called Dragonfly Spirit. She is a pencil drawing embellished with mixed media; beads and metallic threads sewn to the paper. Cut outs in her negative space reveal handmade paper and a feather headdress protrudes from the paper. She is my homage to the dragonfly.
I have only ever had a small digital image of her and reproduced her on small greeting cards and small prints until now. She just recently came home to me and I will be selling full size giclee reproductions of her. I will list her in my store when I have some ready to sell.


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I am interested in 'Bad Painting' a purposely raw style of painting developed in 1970’s, where the idea and the immediacy of the work is most important. I examine ideas around quotidian daily experience, observations drawn from the world around me and more intimate or personal thoughts. The paintings are often an amalgam of images and text, which may vary from the humorous to the confessional. They are a reflection of the tension we all experience between the vulnerability of our innermost thoughts and the visage we present in public. My work is a visual diary born out of my everyday life.
‘That Old Corduroy Couch’ is painted from memory of the couch from my childhood home. The piece of furniture stays the same, but is witness to all the changes and developments of family life at that time. It also speaks of the emotional connection to my family that is no longer there.
I am interested in 'Bad Painting' a purposely raw style of painting developed in 1970’s, where the idea and the immediacy of the work is most important. I examine ideas around quotidian daily experience, observations drawn from the world around me and more intimate or personal thoughts. The paintings are often an amalgam of images and text, which may vary from the humorous to the confessional. They are a reflection of the tension we all experience between the vulnerability of our innermost thoughts and the visage we present in public. My work is a visual diary born out of my everyday life.
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The Polyethylene Bag is a revolutionary system assisting in the bitumen transport. It provides a cost efficient alternative to Bitumen drums. The Polyethylene bags are capable of holding up to 350 kg of bitumen. Advantages over the steel drums:
- In general the waste which remains in drums accounts for 3-4%, with Polyethylene Bag bags there is no residual waste;
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- The system is easy for shipping and storing;
- Bitumen is delivered and melted at a convenient location;
- The cost of labour is reduced;
- Due to more efficient heating (only the bitumen is heated and not the drum), carbon emissions are reduced;
- Due to using and melting bitumen only when needed, the constant energy consumption to keep bitumen heated is avoided, which results again in lower carbon emissions;
- Due to cold shipment of the cargo across the world, saving of more carbon emissions in comparison to bulk shipments, which requires constant heating during ocean voyages
BITUMINA provides complete solutions around the Polyethylene Bags System, from supply to melting and storage tanks. Please contact us for further information and free consultation.*Polycube™ is a Trademark of Polycube Systems, Austria.
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Season one revolves around two main events: the ascension of coach Eric Taylor to the position of head coach and the paralysis of star quarterback Jason Street. These two events set off a chain reaction that leads the series through its first season.
Coach Taylor's career depends on his ability to get the Dillon Panthers to the state championship. If the team suffers a losing streak, he knows his family, which includes daughter Julie, will no longer be welcome in Dillon.
Meanwhile, Tami Taylor lands a job as a counselor at the local high school. Over the course of the season, she becomes a support and a mentor to many of the students and her position plays a pivotal role in the season finale, which leaves viewers wondering whether Eric will leave Dillon to accept a coveted coaching job with a university.
Matt Saracen and Jason Street must struggle against seemingly insurmountable odds. Street must learn to live without the use of his legs in a town that seems to be moving on without him, while Saracen must rise to be worthy of the position he has inherited. As Street's friendship with Herc, his rehab roommate and wheelchair rugby teammate, grows stronger, so does his will and independence. The new role of QB1 is an unenviable task for the timid Matt, as he also must care for his ill grandmother while his father is fighting in Iraq. Causing further headaches, Matt falls in love with Coach Taylor's daughter, Julie, who loathes Texas life and dislikes football. She nevertheless falls for Matt because of his bumbling awkwardness and, above all, his modest decency. Their relationship slowly blossoms over the course of the season.
Also explored is the pressure on the cocky, driven Brian "Smash" Williams. Easily the most promising player on the Panthers' roster, he works hard to achieve excellence and sees his future career as instrumental in providing his family a better life. Life has been hard for Williams' family since his father was killed in a car accident, and financial constraints have led his mother Corrine to take multiple jobs just to get the family by. At one point, he decides that he's willing to risk his health by using performance enhancing drugs to make sure he gets a college football scholarship.
Tim Riggins is an unfocused alcoholic with absentee parents and no prospects beyond high school. However, he is shown to be a loyal friend with a good heart. Unfortunately, his good intentions seem to be repeatedly derailed by his own missteps.
Tyra Collette, like many of the other characters, comes from a broken home, where her mom falls in and out of abusive relationships. Tyra begins the season as Tim’s girlfriend, but as Season One progresses, thanks to Tami Taylor and Landry Clark – the school math geek and Saracen’s best friend – she starts to see the faintest glimmer of hope that she might get out of Dillon and discontinue the cycle that her mother and her sister (a stripper) seem destined to continue.
Meanwhile, Lyla goes through some of the biggest changes as she begins the season as a bubbly, optimistic, sweet-natured girl. Faced with the heartbreaking reality of Jason's injury, she begins seeing Tim Riggins to cope with her frustration. Though Jason and Lyla reconcile after he becomes aware of this, Jason begins growing closer to another woman and at the same time Lyla learns about her father's many adulterous affairs. It is at this point that Lyla moves past her dependence on other men to grow into a more independent woman.
Season one revolves around two main events: the ascension of coach Eric Taylor to the position of head coach and the paralysis of star quarterback Jason Street. These two events set off a chain reaction that leads the series through its first season.
Coach Taylor's career depends on his ability to get the Dillon Panthers to the state championship. If the team suffers a losing streak, he knows his family, which includes daughter Julie, will no longer be welcome in Dillon.
Meanwhile, Tami Taylor lands a job as a counselor at the local high school. Over the course of the season, she becomes a support and a mentor to many of the students and her position plays a pivotal role in the season finale, which leaves viewers wondering whether Eric will leave Dillon to accept a coveted coaching job with a university.
Matt Saracen and Jason Street must struggle against seemingly insurmountable odds. Street must learn to live without the use of his legs in a town that seems to be moving on without him, while Saracen must rise to be worthy of the position he has inherited. As Street's friendship with Herc, his rehab roommate and wheelchair rugby teammate, grows stronger, so does his will and independence. The new role of QB1 is an unenviable task for the timid Matt, as he also must care for his ill grandmother while his father is fighting in Iraq. Causing further headaches, Matt falls in love with Coach Taylor's daughter, Julie, who loathes Texas life and dislikes football. She nevertheless falls for Matt because of his bumbling awkwardness and, above all, his modest decency. Their relationship slowly blossoms over the course of the season.
Also explored is the pressure on the cocky, driven Brian "Smash" Williams. Easily the most promising player on the Panthers' roster, he works hard to achieve excellence and sees his future career as instrumental in providing his family a better life. Life has been hard for Williams' family since his father was killed in a car accident, and financial constraints have led his mother Corrine to take multiple jobs just to get the family by. At one point, he decides that he's willing to risk his health by using performance enhancing drugs to make sure he gets a college football scholarship.
Tim Riggins is an unfocused alcoholic with absentee parents and no prospects beyond high school. However, he is shown to be a loyal friend with a good heart. Unfortunately, his good intentions seem to be repeatedly derailed by his own missteps.
Tyra Collette, like many of the other characters, comes from a broken home, where her mom falls in and out of abusive relationships. Tyra begins the season as Tim’s girlfriend, but as Season One progresses, thanks to Tami Taylor and Landry Clark – the school math geek and Saracen’s best friend – she starts to see the faintest glimmer of hope that she might get out of Dillon and discontinue the cycle that her mother and her sister (a stripper) seem destined to continue.
Meanwhile, Lyla goes through some of the biggest changes as she begins the season as a bubbly, optimistic, sweet-natured girl. Faced with the heartbreaking reality of Jason's injury, she begins seeing Tim Riggins to cope with her frustration. Though Jason and Lyla reconcile after he becomes aware of this, Jason begins growing closer to another woman and at the same time Lyla learns about her father's many adulterous affairs. It is at this point that Lyla moves past her dependence on other men to grow into a more independent woman.
Kyle Chandler ... Eric Taylor
Connie Britton ... Tami Taylor
Gaius Charles ... Brian 'Smash' Williams
Zach Gilford ... Matt Saracen
Minka Kelly ... Lyla Garrity
Taylor Kitsch ... Tim Riggins
Adrianne Palicki ... Tyra Collette
Jesse Plemons ... Landry Clarke
Scott Porter ... Jason Street
Aimee Teegarden ... Julie Taylor
Daniel Abikasis ... Football player
Noble Chase Pack ... Little Buddy Garrity (as Noble Pack)
Cindy Creekmore ... Missy Aubrey
Matthew Greer ... Coach Deeks
John Hambrick ... Eddie McMannus
Kate Krause ... Tabby Garrity
Scott Kuhr ... Pep rally participant
Brad Leland ... Buddy Garrity
Matt Leonard ... Football Player
Merrilee McCommas ... Pam Garrity
Mark Nutter ... Mitchell StreetDago Pates ... David Matters
Jessie Pavelka ... Team Captain
Brian D. Phelan ... QB Coach
Derek Phillips ... Billy Riggins
Shannon Joy Rodgers ... Student Trainer
Orlando Storm Smart ... Little QB
Louanne Stephens ... Mrs. Saracen
Libby Villari ... Mayor Lucy Rodell
Katherine Willis ... Joanne Street
Erik Collins ... News Crew (uncredited)
Gina Garza ... Student (uncredited
Eric Hack ... Football Player (uncredited)
Matthew T. Johnston ... Assistant Coach (uncredited)
Linda Klein ... Nurse (uncredited)
Robin McGee ... Pep Rally Girl (uncredited)
John D. Montoya ... (uncredited)
Darryl K. Phipps ... Football Player (uncredited)
Robin Prough ... Cheerleader (uncredited)
Isaac Rodriguez ... Reporter / Diner Customer (uncredited)
Nicole Taylor ... Pretty Girl (uncredited)
Gary Teague ... Dillon Panther Football Fan (uncredited)
Angela Ware ... (uncredited)
Connie Britton ... Tami Taylor
Gaius Charles ... Brian 'Smash' Williams
Zach Gilford ... Matt Saracen
Minka Kelly ... Lyla Garrity
Taylor Kitsch ... Tim Riggins
Adrianne Palicki ... Tyra Collette
Jesse Plemons ... Landry Clarke
Scott Porter ... Jason Street
Aimee Teegarden ... Julie Taylor
Daniel Abikasis ... Football player
Noble Chase Pack ... Little Buddy Garrity (as Noble Pack)
Cindy Creekmore ... Missy Aubrey
Matthew Greer ... Coach Deeks
John Hambrick ... Eddie McMannus
Kate Krause ... Tabby Garrity
Scott Kuhr ... Pep rally participant
Brad Leland ... Buddy Garrity
Matt Leonard ... Football Player
Merrilee McCommas ... Pam Garrity
Mark Nutter ... Mitchell StreetDago Pates ... David Matters
Jessie Pavelka ... Team Captain
Brian D. Phelan ... QB Coach
Derek Phillips ... Billy Riggins
Shannon Joy Rodgers ... Student Trainer
Orlando Storm Smart ... Little QB
Louanne Stephens ... Mrs. Saracen
Libby Villari ... Mayor Lucy Rodell
Katherine Willis ... Joanne Street
Erik Collins ... News Crew (uncredited)
Gina Garza ... Student (uncredited
Eric Hack ... Football Player (uncredited)
Matthew T. Johnston ... Assistant Coach (uncredited)
Linda Klein ... Nurse (uncredited)
Robin McGee ... Pep Rally Girl (uncredited)
John D. Montoya ... (uncredited)
Darryl K. Phipps ... Football Player (uncredited)
Robin Prough ... Cheerleader (uncredited)
Isaac Rodriguez ... Reporter / Diner Customer (uncredited)
Nicole Taylor ... Pretty Girl (uncredited)
Gary Teague ... Dillon Panther Football Fan (uncredited)
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My 2 bits on Bitcoin and Brexit
I am highly worried about Brexit even though I buy nothing and sell nothing in England and rarely go there. I have almost no interaction although I do know a few people who speak English.
I worry the ripple effect of the vote will cause a worldwide recession. We are in delicate times and it does not take much to turn psychology. A turn in psychology will cause a slowing which will cause a drop in oil price which will cause the Canadian $ to drop.
We live in an interconnected world.
I had a private presentation by Alex Tapscott on his new book - Blockchain Revolution - How the Technology Behind Bitcoin is Changing Money, Business, and the World. Then, of course, I read his book.
Bitcoin is likely to be big. Block Chains will be bigger. I behooves us to understand them.
Blockchains use distributed nodes like the internet. They create a public ledger of transactions. All transaction tie onto the previous one. So it is perfect in tracking true ownership. So it would work great in a land registry. This makes it almost impossible to fraud since any change requires changing all previous parts of the chain which is almost impossible to do.
Bitcoin is based on Block Chain. Block Chain is the technology - Bitcoin is the currency.
Every 4 years, the number of Bitcoins issued decreases by half. Bitcoin tops out at 21,000,000 Bitcoins. The argument can be made that this will make it an appreciating currency rather than a depreciating on.
One argument that is used both for and against Bitcoin is it is not controlled by the government. The issue with currencies that are government controlled is they can just issue more currency and devalue what is now out there. Governments generally dislike anyone but themselves issuing currency and there is a long history of stopping anyone else who tries to issue currency. Of note - the creator of Bitcoin has not come forward but remains an anonymous pseudonym. It will be interesting to see how Bitcoin plays out in that.
If I have issues with Bitcoin:
1 - I still do not understand the math (and I have read much more about the topic than just this book). My experience is often things that are too complex to understand are not real or lacking.
2 - If I understand how it works - it uses complex calculations to slow things down so the proper priority registration can happen. Right now, that takes a lot of computing power and electricity (so I object as an eco-dweeb) and I believe in Moore's law. So it may soon not be viable since the methodology will not be slow enough.
3 - I worry that digital methodologies will get obsoleted over time. For example, I had VCR tapes of my kids playing and converted them to CD but will I even be able to play those in another decade? So might the money be lost? While we are on that topic, I still have hundreds of audio cassettes of my first book Time Leadership - Using the Secrets of Leadership for Time Management" - I am thinking of putting them on sale.
4 - I worry it could be a bit of a Ponnzi. Early entrants get Bitcoins cheap so want others to use the currency that becomes scarcer and scarcer which makes the value increase. But it could be like tulip bulbs.
Tapscott has sections in his book where he denigrates the "middlemen". As someone who has been a middleman all my life, I believe middlemen add value. Where they should be cut out is where the charges for the value are not fair. And the middleman business is highly competitive so people are always figuring out ways to reduce their costs. Still sometimes I wish I were more of an Oscar Meyer Weiner (so everyone would be in love with me)
One of my friends, Mark Jeftovic from EasyDNS had sent me a related provocative audio book on commerce and money - "A Radically Beneficial World: Automation, Technology and Creating jobs for All The Future Belongs to Work that is Meaningful" by Charles Hugh Smith (If I were Charles Smith, I would use my middle name too). You would have thought they could have come up with a longer title. Mark and I had discussed the future of payments and money.
I have always thought the best way to make money was to start a government or a religion now I add to that - a currency.
Speaking of government - Danby got a license to use the Canada 150 year logo and included in it was a clause that we cannot represent ourselves as being the government. So instead of sending out those tax bills like I had planned, we will just have to sell more freezers.
Loving Audible and love the speed up feature. I listen to books at +20% so a 5 hour book takes me only 4 hours.
I worry the ripple effect of the vote will cause a worldwide recession. We are in delicate times and it does not take much to turn psychology. A turn in psychology will cause a slowing which will cause a drop in oil price which will cause the Canadian $ to drop.
We live in an interconnected world.
I had a private presentation by Alex Tapscott on his new book - Blockchain Revolution - How the Technology Behind Bitcoin is Changing Money, Business, and the World. Then, of course, I read his book.
Bitcoin is likely to be big. Block Chains will be bigger. I behooves us to understand them.
Blockchains use distributed nodes like the internet. They create a public ledger of transactions. All transaction tie onto the previous one. So it is perfect in tracking true ownership. So it would work great in a land registry. This makes it almost impossible to fraud since any change requires changing all previous parts of the chain which is almost impossible to do.
Bitcoin is based on Block Chain. Block Chain is the technology - Bitcoin is the currency.
Every 4 years, the number of Bitcoins issued decreases by half. Bitcoin tops out at 21,000,000 Bitcoins. The argument can be made that this will make it an appreciating currency rather than a depreciating on.
One argument that is used both for and against Bitcoin is it is not controlled by the government. The issue with currencies that are government controlled is they can just issue more currency and devalue what is now out there. Governments generally dislike anyone but themselves issuing currency and there is a long history of stopping anyone else who tries to issue currency. Of note - the creator of Bitcoin has not come forward but remains an anonymous pseudonym. It will be interesting to see how Bitcoin plays out in that.
If I have issues with Bitcoin:
1 - I still do not understand the math (and I have read much more about the topic than just this book). My experience is often things that are too complex to understand are not real or lacking.
2 - If I understand how it works - it uses complex calculations to slow things down so the proper priority registration can happen. Right now, that takes a lot of computing power and electricity (so I object as an eco-dweeb) and I believe in Moore's law. So it may soon not be viable since the methodology will not be slow enough.
3 - I worry that digital methodologies will get obsoleted over time. For example, I had VCR tapes of my kids playing and converted them to CD but will I even be able to play those in another decade? So might the money be lost? While we are on that topic, I still have hundreds of audio cassettes of my first book Time Leadership - Using the Secrets of Leadership for Time Management" - I am thinking of putting them on sale.
4 - I worry it could be a bit of a Ponnzi. Early entrants get Bitcoins cheap so want others to use the currency that becomes scarcer and scarcer which makes the value increase. But it could be like tulip bulbs.
Tapscott has sections in his book where he denigrates the "middlemen". As someone who has been a middleman all my life, I believe middlemen add value. Where they should be cut out is where the charges for the value are not fair. And the middleman business is highly competitive so people are always figuring out ways to reduce their costs. Still sometimes I wish I were more of an Oscar Meyer Weiner (so everyone would be in love with me)
One of my friends, Mark Jeftovic from EasyDNS had sent me a related provocative audio book on commerce and money - "A Radically Beneficial World: Automation, Technology and Creating jobs for All The Future Belongs to Work that is Meaningful" by Charles Hugh Smith (If I were Charles Smith, I would use my middle name too). You would have thought they could have come up with a longer title. Mark and I had discussed the future of payments and money.
I have always thought the best way to make money was to start a government or a religion now I add to that - a currency.
Speaking of government - Danby got a license to use the Canada 150 year logo and included in it was a clause that we cannot represent ourselves as being the government. So instead of sending out those tax bills like I had planned, we will just have to sell more freezers.
Loving Audible and love the speed up feature. I listen to books at +20% so a 5 hour book takes me only 4 hours.


What an AMAZING book!! The King's Dream is a beautifully magical fairy tale that I would recommend to anyone parent or child. I give it 5 stars for both illustrations and story. The moral lesson that this book teaches is wonderful, and reminds us all that dreams can't be bought, only lived. I loved reading this, and am blown away by the fantastic illustrations. What a great book!!
About this author:
Harris Tobias lives and writes in Charlottesville, Virginia. He is the author of several novels and dozens of short stories. His fiction has appeared in Ray Gun Revival, Dunesteef Audio Magazine, The Way of the Buffalo Podcast, Quantum Muse and many other on-line publications. His poetry has appeared in Vox Poetica, The poem Factory and The Poetry Super Highway. You can find links to his novels at: http://harristobias-fiction.blogspot....
About the illustrator:
Cathy-Reene (AKA Catherine Bassova) – a freelance traditional and digital illustrator living in Seattle, USA. My focus is: children’s book illustrations, character design, advertising, and decorative/surface design. To see her work, or contact her for freelance opportunities visit her website: http://cathy-reene.com/
About this author:
Harris Tobias lives and writes in Charlottesville, Virginia. He is the author of several novels and dozens of short stories. His fiction has appeared in Ray Gun Revival, Dunesteef Audio Magazine, The Way of the Buffalo Podcast, Quantum Muse and many other on-line publications. His poetry has appeared in Vox Poetica, The poem Factory and The Poetry Super Highway. You can find links to his novels at: http://harristobias-fiction.blogspot....
About the illustrator:
Cathy-Reene (AKA Catherine Bassova) – a freelance traditional and digital illustrator living in Seattle, USA. My focus is: children’s book illustrations, character design, advertising, and decorative/surface design. To see her work, or contact her for freelance opportunities visit her website: http://cathy-reene.com/


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